Official: No New Firebird

**Cutlass** · 05-16-2008, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by tamatt79

What is up with Bob "the putz" Lutz???

No to the Trans Am, but yes to the G8 sport truck!!! Does anyone remember the highly succesfull Dodge Rampage? Not likely and for good reason. It was crap then and still is today. No seating capacity, and no payload capability. Yes it has gr8 power, but this is really a bad idea. Pontiac has not had good succes with "new ideas" in the past few years.

We want the Trans Am, not a silly, little, pick up wannabee!!!

the G8 is a 4 door rwd car with either a V6 or V8 engine. What are you smoking?

Originally Posted by rumblebox

i would take a GMC over a chevy any day. hands down.... and i work at a chevy dealership.

ME TOO!!! except I work at a Cadillac and HUMMER dealership

Originally Posted by ATCharming

well apparently there are a few out. THOSE would be the concept vehicle. the concept vehicle obviously has to be able to drive, so they put all working parts in it. not all of those parts will be used for production, for multiple reasons
the concept vehicle has an ls2, which we all know is discontinued... the concept also has an IRS... sounds more like a gto.
teh production vehicle will have the ls3 as we all know, and as SOME of us know, the irs will be dropped and replaced with a solid axle.

how many times have i said this? idk how to word it any better... for anyone that doesnt believe me ill place a $2k bet that the production camaro will have a solid axle.

Well that GM Global Zeta/Sigma platform is IRS so there is a 99% chance the new Camaro and G8 (both Zeta or Sigma or whatever they wanna call it now) will both be IRS. Do you have some insider info or are you just guessing on a solid rear axle?

**knappbunch** · 05-16-2008, 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by ImportIntimidator

I think this concept would be amazing.. keeps the 4th gen stuff we like and gives it a new flare... I would definately buy this car

that would make me buy a bird over a camaro that is hot

**knappbunch** · 05-16-2008, 05:17 AM

Originally Posted by Cutlass

the G8 is a 4 door rwd car with either a V6 or V8 engine. What are you smoking?

ME TOO!!! except I work at a Cadillac and HUMMER dealership

Well that GM Global Zeta/Sigma platform is IRS so there is a 99% chance the new Camaro and G8 (both Zeta or Sigma or whatever they wanna call it now) will both be IRS. Do you have some insider info or are you just guessing on a solid rear axle?

I did read an article in camaro performers that said they were going to go with solid rear axle in production cars to save money.. YES WHY WOULD YOU BUILD AN ELCAMINO WANNAQ BE FLOP OVER A T/A WITH ALL THE CROSSOVERS AND SUV'S IN THE MARKET NOT A GOOD PLAN...

**BIGREDZ** · 05-16-2008, 06:48 AM

Originally Posted by knappbunch

that would make me buy a bird over a camaro that is hot

Too much camaro in this photo chop. I know that camaro's and bird's have always shared susp and frame's but I've always thought they look like two completly different vehicles (speaking mostly about the fourth gen). This pictures just dosn't do it for me!

**Cutlass** · 05-16-2008, 05:12 PM

Well I did some research and according to GM's service information, the G8's rear is IRS, so I'd guess the Camaro would be also.

**BIGREDZ** · 05-16-2008, 05:44 PM

if I remember right they did confirm that the camaro will be IRS over on camaro5.com.

**LIGHTNINGMCQUEEN** · 05-16-2008, 06:01 PM

Trans am please.

**LS1buckey** · 05-16-2008, 08:00 PM

Ya I could swear when GM gave the ok on the camaro they said it was going to be IRS.

**Black R/A** · 05-17-2008, 07:25 AM

There is still no word on what the 'other' RWD vehicle will be at Oshawa, but a deal has just been signed to build it at the Camaro plant link:

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/business/080515/b0515115A.html

Under the deal reached with GM Thursday, a plant in Oshawa, Ont., will begin producing a rear-wheel drive car in addition to the Camaro sports car, slated to enter production later this year.

The most feasible thing to produce would be a Firebird. But GM is just as likely to produce a large luxury car on the Camaro chassis. Pontiac dealers have been lobbying for a new Firebird. I think it should be built on a smaller RWD chassis than the Camaro.

**LS1buckey** · 05-17-2008, 07:48 AM

I thought GM already said they were not going to build a new bird?

**Cutlass** · 05-17-2008, 12:47 PM

They might switch production of the G8 from Austrailia over to Oshawa when Oshawa is ready for them. Otherwise there was talk of a RWD Impala but I think that idea is dead like the 'Bird

**LS1buckey** · 05-17-2008, 03:19 PM

I thought the new Impala was already out or atleast comming soon.

**tbaum** · 05-17-2008, 03:22 PM

From what I have heard, and this is completely speculative, there may be an option for a solid read axle or IRS....with the solid rear cosing more (go figure)

Call me crazy but shouldn't a muscle car naturally come with a solid rear axle? Leave the IRS to the Vette and the Goat.

**LS1buckey** · 05-17-2008, 03:34 PM

I don't consider our cars muscle cars, no muscle cars sense the 60's. High performance or sports cars yes, still I agree the solid axle should come standard.

**FreeBird89** · 05-21-2008, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by ImportIntimidator

I think this concept would be amazing.. keeps the 4th gen stuff we like and gives it a new flare... I would definately buy this car

Im down!!! BRING IT BACK haha

**LIGHTNINGMCQUEEN** · 05-24-2008, 02:02 PM

I don't consider our cars muscle cars, no muscle cars sense the 60's. High performance or sports cars yes, still I agree the solid axle should come standard.

Well everyone has a different definition to what makes a car a "Muscle Car". Some people consider the older corvettes to be muscle cars and some dont. It is my opinion and belief that our LS1's and LT1's are true Muscle cars along with the classics. Whats the difference really? one is carborated and the other fuel injected (and crap load of computer and sensory). WHen the new Camaro comes out or the challenger, id say those are muscle cars as well. I had a dispute with a friend last week that said whatever V8 they put in the camaro is going to have Cylinder shutoff where it goes from 4 to 8. Now i understand his point but if you like the look of the car but dont like the cylinder changing thing then im sure they will have an aftermarket tune that will make it run on 8 all the time. I dont know if it exists but im sure someones come up with it or will. So at the moment you do that.....voila!! instant Muscle car! that of course depends on a persons opinion of what a muscle car is.

Sorry for the long post.....just thought it was an interesting topic.

**99WS6RAMAIR** · 05-24-2008, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by *JC*

GM has told its Pontiac dealers that they will not be receiving a version of the upcoming Chevrolet Camaro despite their lobbying efforts, reports Automotive News. According to one dealer, the numbers simply didn't add up to make a financial case for the car, which would have reportedly cost $200 million to bring to market.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9080215....ebird-trans-am

http://jalopnik.com/355405/no-new-po...mance-division

Yeah so what do they call the GTO & the G8 then?

**PA00WS6TA** · 06-15-2008, 01:02 PM

Originally Posted by Too Fast

Just means that as our cars get even more rare, more people will wonder "WTF was that that just passed me!!!!"

Perhaps that's how it might pan out. I will no doubt be holding on to my 2000 WS6 TA!

**Mr. Luos** · 06-15-2008, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by ImportIntimidator

**FreeBird89** · 06-17-2008, 09:44 PM

Did anyone see the recent issue of Pontiac Enthusiast? It had a little article talking about a new firebird. Some thing like it would depend on the sales of the Camaro and Mustang. And firebird sales just can't eat up the Camaro sales.