what exactly makes Mach 1 Mustanks faster?

**2000T/A Guru** · 10-23-2007, 07:36 AM

This is true but i also think he might be a better driver, i have seen bone stock 99 cobras run 13.4s, unless his f-bdoy is running like a 12.9-13.1, which is possible.

**NvyBluMtlc02WS6** · 10-23-2007, 08:23 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Stock for stock an M5 Mach 1 should beat an A4 LS1, and a M6 LS1 should beat an M5 Mach 1. A lot of it comes down to driver skill.

Saying that "they have no business even trying to play with you" is just ignorant. Were talking a few tenths of a second difference here, not a V6 Mustang vs an LS1.

No, i'm not being ignorant, i'm just stating what i have encountered with my run ins with mach 1's. Maybe i just know how to drive my car, but i'm telling you, of the three times i've raced one, the difference has been 4-5 car lengths. Also, I don't appreciate being called ignorant. I never once used a derogatory statement towards anyone in this thread. I was just curious on how everyone could say that mach 1's are a challenge.

**2000T/A Guru** · 10-23-2007, 08:31 AM

I have raced a few the autos i have tekn up to 8 or more lengths, those htings suck and the m5s i have taken anwhere from 6 lengths to half a car with a good driver and some bolt ons i also had a passenger and he didnt.

**Wesman** · 10-23-2007, 07:54 PM

Originally Posted by NvyBluMtlc02WS6

No, i'm not being ignorant, i'm just stating what i have encountered with my run ins with mach 1's. Maybe i just know how to drive my car, but i'm telling you, of the three times i've raced one, the difference has been 4-5 car lengths. Also, I don't appreciate being called ignorant. I never once used a derogatory statement towards anyone in this thread. I was just curious on how everyone could say that mach 1's are a challenge.

Don't get so defensive man...I merely said I thought your statement was ignorant, I wasn't calling you ignorant.

With equal drivers an M6 LS1 should pull a M5 Mach 1 by a car or two, so if you are an above average driver and the Mach 1 driver sucked, 4-5 cars is definitely possible.

**greatwhiteZ28** · 10-24-2007, 05:17 PM

ill admit i got beat by a mach at strip while back , with him running a 12.88 ( wasnt stock, slicks + other stuff, didnt talk to him) but they do move for sure.

what do they tend to run stock??

**Rikki_SeVeN** · 10-24-2007, 05:20 PM

Originally Posted by greatwhiteZ28

ill admit i got beat by a mach at strip while back , with him running a 12.88 ( wasnt stock, slicks + other stuff, didnt talk to him) but they do move for sure.

what do they tend to run stock??

wroughly 13.5... is the official numbers... but I guess it depends on the driver

**greatwhiteZ28** · 10-24-2007, 05:24 PM

thanks, at least i know i didnt get beat buy a stocker LOL....

**Rikki_SeVeN** · 10-24-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by greatwhiteZ28

thanks, at least i know i didnt get beat buy a stocker LOL....

LOL... a stocker would snap axles waaaaaay before running that 12.8... but if they would hold up with good tires... who knows...

**Wesman** · 10-24-2007, 08:19 PM

Originally Posted by Rikki_SeVeN

LOL... a stocker would snap axles waaaaaay before running that 12.8... but if they would hold up with good tires... who knows...

Where did you hear that the axles are weak?? I've never heard that before, all V8 Mustangs use the Ford 8.8, which is a very strong rear. If we can run 12's with out 28 spline axles in a 10 bolt, I don't see why a Mustang with a Much stronger rear and larger axles wouldn't be able to.

**Rikki_SeVeN** · 10-25-2007, 03:32 AM

Originally Posted by Wesman

Where did you hear that the axles are weak?? I've never heard that before, all V8 Mustangs use the Ford 8.8, which is a very strong rear. If we can run 12's with out 28 spline axles in a 10 bolt, I don't see why a Mustang with a Much stronger rear and larger axles wouldn't be able to.

I've heard it from the Mach 1 Forums... in which my friend who drives a Mach1 participates in...and I've seen videos of it... they usually step up to 31 spline axles...

**9T8W66** · 10-28-2007, 06:39 AM

Heres a couple things you guys haven't touched on yet
Back in `99 SVT revamped the DOHC 4.6 up to 320 HP. Although most owners had warranty issues with them because of an Intake Manifold problem these engines never made the 320 HP that Ford Stated.
By `00-01 the Manifold problem was solved and the cars showed a definete improvement. Meanwhile Ford introduced the Bullitt Mustang (remember those guys) Which was a GT with Chassis, Suspension, Brake, and Transmission upgrades along with a few Retro styling cues. From what I remember Bullitt Mustangs met with rave reviews from the Automotive press. I drove one myself and it really was a great car, except it lacked power. it was also the first Factory Mustang I ever saw with Subframe connectors.
FF to `03 The Mach 1 is essentially a Bullit Mustang with the Late 320 HP Cobra engine, which was the first use of this engine infront of a SOLID AXLE.
The bullitt used a 3.27 Axle vs the Mach 1's 3.55 `99-`01 Cobra's were IRS.

**2000T/A Guru** · 10-29-2007, 02:44 PM

Yes but the mach 1 motor is also a higher compression ratio than the cobra, with a different intake not intake manifold just intake, which i guess in ford world only adds 5hp since the mach 1 was said to make 325 at the crank. Most dyno 270 which is about 325 at the crank. The cobra was a 9 to 1 and the mach is a 10 to 1

**greatwhiteZ28** · 10-29-2007, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru

Yes but the mach 1 motor is also a higher compression ratio than the cobra, with a different intake not intake manifold just intake, which i guess in ford world only adds 5hp since the mach 1 was said to make 325 at the crank. Most dyno 270 which is about 325 at the crank. The cobra was a 9 to 1 and the mach is a 10 to 1

was it 9 to 1 for the 03 + cobras?? they did that to mesh with the blower right?

**predator** · 10-29-2007, 05:43 PM

03 04 are 8.5... the 99 01 are 9:1

-me

**greatwhiteZ28** · 10-29-2007, 06:32 PM

what were gt's ??

**predator** · 10-30-2007, 02:46 AM

im assuming 9:1... i would think they used the same rotating assemblies on the n/a cobras as they did the gt's.

-me

**2000T/A Guru** · 10-30-2007, 07:39 AM

Yes GTs are 9 to 1, it just seems weird that the Mach 1 makes the same or slightly more rwhp when the comp ratio is higher and what they claim is a better intake. Seems like they could have put a little more effort into the mach 1. If they had added like slightly larger cams or something like that i bet that car would be a neck and neck race with a ls1 everytime.

**Rikki_SeVeN** · 10-30-2007, 07:40 AM

Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru

Yes GTs are 9 to 1, it just seems weird that the Mach 1 makes the same or slightly more rwhp when the comp ratio is higher and what they claim is a better intake. Seems like they could have put a little more effort into the mach 1. If they had added like slightly larger cams or something like that i bet that car would be a neck and neck race with a ls1 everytime.

with a Manual LS1 you mean...

**2000T/A Guru** · 10-30-2007, 07:53 AM

I have seen great drivers get a bone stock mach 1 to run a 13.2. Now it takes a good driver to get a ls1 to run that, although we have seen high 12s. Most people who run bone stock ls1s have trouble running below 13.5.

**greatwhiteZ28** · 10-30-2007, 04:14 PM

Originally Posted by 2000T/A Guru

I have seen great drivers get a bone stock mach 1 to run a 13.2. Now it takes a good driver to get a ls1 to run that, although we have seen high 12s. Most people who run bone stock ls1s have trouble running below 13.5.

13.4 for me soo yea the mach moves. for a stang..... LOL