dodge challenger finally

willys srt8 · 05-05-2009, 05:10 PM

GET VID!!!!!!!!!!!! can't question proof.

**Deuuuce** · 05-05-2009, 05:19 PM

Originally Posted by Zinergy

13.8 at 103mph is what the jeep srt-8s run and trap, the charger and challenger have been as low as 13.3 in mags and lower in real world.

Partially correct.

Jeep SRT-8s ALWAYS (barring serious driver incompetence) run low, low 13s due to their guaranteed 1.9x or better 60fts. Trap speeds are 103-105mph stock.

The LX-based SRT-8s have all ran 13.1s to 13.3s @ 108-109mph in the magazines that have actually tested/driven them with decent skill. Yes you can find slower published like any car.

**fergyflyer** · 05-05-2009, 05:48 PM

Deuuuce,

Are you over here arguing the SRT question????

Sorry buddy but the stock SRT8's in this neck of the woods run high 13's. That's with no mods and an automatic. The 6 Speeds are definately faster since they have a decent posi and a decent gear ratio.

Here's what I see in the real world, at the track, not the cyber world.

Stock F-bodies run 13.5-13.8. Stock SRT8's with auto's run 13.6-13.9.

An F-body with a lid, the FRAM mod, a catback and a canned tune like a Predator is going to run about 2-3 tenths better than the SRT8 car.

If you look at the Challenger with the 6 speed the R/T is faster than the SRT8 auto and the SRT8 6 speed car is the one to beat. Stock they are running low 13's. Gears and a decent rear end make a world of difference.

**blue02Z** · 05-06-2009, 03:26 AM

Originally Posted by cobrakiller99

you'll see, the kid told my friend that has a m3 that they are cruising this week so he told me that because he knows that i want to race this challenger.

i jk'n dude!!! make sure you get a vid. have a buddy tape it from you passenger seat!!

willys srt8 · 05-06-2009, 03:39 PM

Originally Posted by fergyflyer

the stock SRT8's in this neck of the woods run high 13's. That's with no mods and an automatic. The 6 Speeds are definately faster since they have a decent posi and a decent gear ratio.

Stock F-bodies run 13.5-13.8. Stock SRT8's with auto's run 13.6-13.9.

If you look at the Challenger with the 6 speed the R/T is faster than the SRT8 auto and the SRT8 6 speed car is the one to beat. Stock they are running low 13's. Gears and a decent rear end make a world of difference.

are you serious? even the mag drivers were able to get the SRT-8s auto and manual in the low 13s but apparently they weren't able to get a stock F-body to run 13.5. there is no way that a stock R/T challenger is faster than an auto SRT-8 charger or challenger. all the proof needed has been posted atleast twice.

combination of all mags stock times

2009 Doge Challenger R/T 5.1 sec 0-60, 13.6 sec @ 104.9 mph
2009 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 4.6 sec (man), 13.1 sec @ 108.4 mph (man) (Motor Trend)
4.7 sec (auto), 13.1 sec @ 108.3 mph (auto)(Motor Trend)
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 4.7 13.0 (R&T July '08)
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 4.8 13.2 (C&D Dec '07)
2005 Dodge Charger R/T 5.6 14.2 (R&T Aug '05)
2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8 4.9 13.3@108.2 (R&T Dec.'05)
2008 Dodge Charger SRT-8 4.8 0-60, 13.2@108 (C&D Dec 07)

1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

**Deuuuce** · 05-06-2009, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by fergyflyer

Deuuuce,

Are you over here arguing the SRT question????

Sorry buddy but the stock SRT8's in this neck of the woods run high 13's. That's with no mods and an automatic. The 6 Speeds are definately faster since they have a decent posi and a decent gear ratio.

Here's what I see in the real world, at the track, not the cyber world.

Stock F-bodies run 13.5-13.8. Stock SRT8's with auto's run 13.6-13.9.

An F-body with a lid, the FRAM mod, a catback and a canned tune like a Predator is going to run about 2-3 tenths better than the SRT8 car.

If you look at the Challenger with the 6 speed the R/T is faster than the SRT8 auto and the SRT8 6 speed car is the one to beat. Stock they are running low 13's. Gears and a decent rear end make a world of difference.

Some fallacies exposed and clarifications desperately needed:

Your humid, positive DA track may run slower times, but with proper prep and someone who actually knows quirks of the car, identical 60fts will ALWAYS mean an automatic SRT-8 will run a better ET AND mph than a stock LS1 6M 3:42.

All R/Ts are slower than SRT-8s, period. The Challenger SRT-8 6M, IIRC, doesn't have OVERALL gearing as aggressive as the automatics AND would not be as consistent, either. If a 6M runs low 13s, the automatic should too, period.

The posi on these cars does NOTHING for traction in a straightline if the surface is evenly prepped. They will lay down twin stripes with the open diff. In fact, the SRT Engineers stated it might actually slow the car down due to back-in-forth transmittal of power.

The LSD is still in demand from owners due to uneven surfaces and for handling reasons. Some LSDs are better for the strip vs. the circuit as well. The BMW 335i has no issues with it's open diff either....

So unless the speed density system (iirc) in the 6.1 is more sensitive to humidity than the LS1, you're wrong. Go over to that other track inland from you where they have run 12.9s @ 110mph bone stock....

**big hammer** · 05-06-2009, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by willys srt8

are you serious? even the mag drivers were able to get the SRT-8s auto and manual in the low 13s but apparently they weren't able to get a stock F-body to run 13.5. there is no way that a stock R/T challenger is faster than an auto SRT-8 charger or challenger. all the proof needed has been posted atleast twice.

combination of all mags stock times

2009 Doge Challenger R/T 5.1 sec 0-60, 13.6 sec @ 104.9 mph
2009 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 4.6 sec (man), 13.1 sec @ 108.4 mph (man) (Motor Trend)
4.7 sec (auto), 13.1 sec @ 108.3 mph (auto)(Motor Trend)
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 4.7 13.0 (R&T July '08)
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 4.8 13.2 (C&D Dec '07)
2005 Dodge Charger R/T 5.6 14.2 (R&T Aug '05)
2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8 4.9 13.3@108.2 (R&T Dec.'05)
2008 Dodge Charger SRT-8 4.8 0-60, 13.2@108 (C&D Dec 07)

1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

actually that's not true--- a ford magazine got a bone stock f-body to run a 12.89.

**fergyflyer** · 05-06-2009, 07:00 PM

Originally Posted by Deuuuce

Some fallacies exposed and clarifications desperately needed:

Your humid, positive DA track may run slower times, but with proper prep and someone who actually knows quirks of the car, identical 60fts will ALWAYS mean an automatic SRT-8 will run a better ET AND mph than a stock LS1 6M 3:42.

All R/Ts are slower than SRT-8s, period. The Challenger SRT-8 6M, IIRC, doesn't have OVERALL gearing as aggressive as the automatics AND would not be as consistent, either. If a 6M runs low 13s, the automatic should too, period.

The posi on these cars does NOTHING for traction in a straightline if the surface is evenly prepped. They will lay down twin stripes with the open diff. In fact, the SRT Engineers stated it might actually slow the car down due to back-in-forth transmittal of power.

The LSD is still in demand from owners due to uneven surfaces and for handling reasons. Some LSDs are better for the strip vs. the circuit as well. The BMW 335i has no issues with it's open diff either....

So unless the speed density system (iirc) in the 6.1 is more sensitive to humidity than the LS1, you're wrong. Go over to that other track inland from you where they have run 12.9s @ 110mph bone stock....

Orlando is about as far inland as you get in Florida.

Now what you are saying is that I need to go to a track where the SRT8 cars will run faster due to conditions. That's fine, but my car will also take advantage of the conditions and still run faster than an SRT8 car.

Now here's the kicker for you. I've gone to other tracks. I prefer to use the more realistic numbers from Orlando. The SRT8's with catback, intake and tune run mid 13's. My car with the same runs 13.0's. I beat them by a half second. I beat them by a half second in Bradenton, Gainesville, West Palm and even in Cecil County Georgia.

You can continue to quote times you've seen from people posting just like me. That's fine. I'm willing to meet up with an SRT8 owner at any one of the tracks I've said and run them. I know I'll win.

The guy that owns the service company that takes care of my trailers has a nice SRT8 Charger. We went at it on the street and he lost every time by a large margin. His car is stock, but when you beat a guy by 6-7 cars in a 0 to 80 race, it's not very close.

Again, I'll run anyone for fun at any of the tracks I've listed here. It needs to be a similar modded car to what I've described, an A5 SRT8 with a catback, intake and a tune like a diablosport or such.

Just pm me with details. Post it on here and the rest of the F-Bodies from here can come and watch.

Just for fun and bragging rights.

**fergyflyer** · 05-06-2009, 07:05 PM

Originally Posted by willys srt8

are you serious? even the mag drivers were able to get the SRT-8s auto and manual in the low 13s but apparently they weren't able to get a stock F-body to run 13.5. there is no way that a stock R/T challenger is faster than an auto SRT-8 charger or challenger. all the proof needed has been posted atleast twice.

combination of all mags stock times

2009 Doge Challenger R/T 5.1 sec 0-60, 13.6 sec @ 104.9 mph
2009 Dodge Challenger SRT-8 4.6 sec (man), 13.1 sec @ 108.4 mph (man) (Motor Trend)
4.7 sec (auto), 13.1 sec @ 108.3 mph (auto)(Motor Trend)
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 4.7 13.0 (R&T July '08)
2008 Dodge Challenger SRT8 4.8 13.2 (C&D Dec '07)
2005 Dodge Charger R/T 5.6 14.2 (R&T Aug '05)
2006 Dodge Charger SRT-8 4.9 13.3@108.2 (R&T Dec.'05)
2008 Dodge Charger SRT-8 4.8 0-60, 13.2@108 (C&D Dec 07)

1993 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.8 14.4
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1994 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Conv. 6.2 14.5
1995 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.2
1995 Chevrolet Camaro 3800 7.4 15.7
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.7 14.1
1996 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.3 13.8
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 5.2 13.7
1998 Chevrolet Camaro Z28 SS 5.2 13.6

As pointed out MM&FF was amazed that a 2002 SS ran a full second faster than the 2002 Bullitt Mustang GT. Wasn't even ideal conditions, 80 plus and humid. The SS had about 12,000 miles on it and the paper air filter was not the cleanest.

Now from what I've seen at the track, a stock F-body is a great race for a stock SRT8. The LS1 seems to respond to light mods better picking up 7-8 tenths with just an intake, tune and catback. The SRT8's seem to gain about 3-4 tenths.

Again I'm not talking the cyberworld or the magazine world but actual results at the track.

Find me someone to race.

willys srt8 · 05-07-2009, 01:02 PM

"big hammer - actually that's not true--- a ford magazine got a bone stock f-body to run a 12.89.

"fergyflyer - As pointed out MM&FF was amazed that a 2002 SS ran a full second faster than the 2002 Bullitt Mustang GT. Wasn't even ideal conditions, 80 plus and humid. The SS had about 12,000 miles on it and the paper air filter was not the cleanest."

"(Motor Trend)-The GT we tested in 1999 recorded slightly better acceleration times, possibly due to the fact that our test Bullitt was a brand-new car lacking any sort of break-in. Still, with just 200 miles on the clock, we got a 5.6-sec 0-60-mph time, just 0.2 sec slower than the '99 GT's. The Bullitt gets through the quarter in 14.07 sec at 97.9 mph, versus 14 flat and 100.2 mph."

i'm pretty sure that the mags tested in the real world unless you have better intel on the location. i have posted three times enough "real world" test by different mags and drivers supporting the SRT-8 being a low 13sec car and could continue all day. I traded my 96 Camaro in for the 02 bullitt mustang and it was a 14sec car and i traded it in for my SRT-8. so if the SS was a full second faster that would still make it a 13 sec car.

i searched MM&FF as well as several other sites but was unable to locate any article making such a statement. maybe you could post a link to it or to any site supporting a tested 12.89sec stock SS statement..........go ahead i'll wait................let me save you some time. these don't support it:

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...istory-4.shtml
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicl.../russ0029.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-...evrolet_Camaro
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-8575.html
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/C...h_Anniversary/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ang_specs.html
http://musclecarfacts.net/2002-camaro.html

ok now i'll wait...............

**fergyflyer** · 05-07-2009, 06:56 PM

Originally Posted by willys srt8

"big hammer - actually that's not true--- a ford magazine got a bone stock f-body to run a 12.89.

"fergyflyer - As pointed out MM&FF was amazed that a 2002 SS ran a full second faster than the 2002 Bullitt Mustang GT. Wasn't even ideal conditions, 80 plus and humid. The SS had about 12,000 miles on it and the paper air filter was not the cleanest."

"(Motor Trend)-The GT we tested in 1999 recorded slightly better acceleration times, possibly due to the fact that our test Bullitt was a brand-new car lacking any sort of break-in. Still, with just 200 miles on the clock, we got a 5.6-sec 0-60-mph time, just 0.2 sec slower than the '99 GT's. The Bullitt gets through the quarter in 14.07 sec at 97.9 mph, versus 14 flat and 100.2 mph."

i'm pretty sure that the mags tested in the real world unless you have better intel on the location. i have posted three times enough "real world" test by different mags and drivers supporting the SRT-8 being a low 13sec car and could continue all day. I traded my 96 Camaro in for the 02 bullitt mustang and it was a 14sec car and i traded it in for my SRT-8. so if the SS was a full second faster that would still make it a 13 sec car.

i searched MM&FF as well as several other sites but was unable to locate any article making such a statement. maybe you could post a link to it or to any site supporting a tested 12.89sec stock SS statement..........go ahead i'll wait................let me save you some time. these don't support it:

http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclec...istory-4.shtml
http://www.theautochannel.com/vehicl.../russ0029.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth-...evrolet_Camaro
http://www.dragtimes.com/Chevrolet-C...slip-8575.html
http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/C...h_Anniversary/
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/...ang_specs.html
http://musclecarfacts.net/2002-camaro.html

ok now i'll wait...............

Didn't have to wait long did ya!!!

I'll be waiting much longer for someone to take the challenge to run their stock or lightly modded SRT8 versus my Z28.

This article talks about Evan Smith running a 1999 Z28 to a 12.89. They also talk about a 2002 Collector Edition T/A WS6 that ran 13.13.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html

It was GMHTP not MM&FF. GMHTP also did an article on the 2002 Camaro SS where Evan Smith got it to run in the high 12's at Emglishtown. MM&FF happened to be there with a Bullitt and they managed to run a high 13.

MM&FF did an article on the Bullitt. They put a side bar out then that said please Ford give us some muscle.

Can't find either article though. Maybe someone can help here.

**big hammer** · 05-07-2009, 07:12 PM

Originally Posted by fergyflyer

Didn't have to wait long did ya!!!

I'll be waiting much longer for someone to take the challenge to run their stock or lightly modded SRT8 versus my Z28.

This article talks about Evan Smith running a 1999 Z28 to a 12.89. They also talk about a 2002 Collector Edition T/A WS6 that ran 13.13.

http://www.gmhightechperformance.com...ure/index.html

It was GMHTP not MM&FF. GMHTP also did an article on the 2002 Camaro SS where Evan Smith got it to run in the high 12's at Emglishtown. MM&FF happened to be there with a Bullitt and they managed to run a high 13.

MM&FF did an article on the Bullitt. They put a side bar out then that said please Ford give us some muscle.

Can't find either article though. Maybe someone can help here.

**BdAsBrd01** · 05-07-2009, 09:19 PM

Originally Posted by doozjamann

A deer ran out is front of me.

HA! Good one! My dad would want to see the body then!

willys srt8 · 05-08-2009, 02:16 PM

i was on that site last night looking for that article and could only find modded Camaros. however, calling a F-body a 12 sec car because Evan Smith was able to get to 12.89 in a factory freak is like me saying all SRT-8s run 12.759 @ 105.61 using only the fastest time i can find. for example this article found:

http://www.allpar.com/racing/roadrun...300C-srt8.html

" One car that was drawing lots of attention was a brand spanking new, 425 HP, Chrysler 300C SRT-8. The black 300C SRT-8 had been blistering the track with solid high twelves all afternoon."

fact is a stock Camaro may have hit the 12s but one article vs all the articles and test doesn't mean that Camaros are 12 sec cars. it means he got lucky and has anyone been able to reproduce it. even the article you posted stated “Although the trap speed dropped steadily from his first to third runs, Jordon's quickest pass was his last, with a 13.579 ET lighting up the board.” about the 02 SS. all that being said, I believe that the SRT-8 vs a LS1 F-body = two low 13sec car drivers race. both cars have dipped into the 12 stock but it certainly isn’t the norm.

as for the challenge, you should post it over on some Challenger, Charger, or 300C fourms. it's pretty easy to call out SRT-8 on a camaro forum not too many/ too far away. but i'm sure you'll find some local takers there. here are some links but i don't know if this site will allow them or not so you may not be able to see them. i wish i could get down there to run.

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/

http://www.chargerforumz.com/index.php

http://www.lxforums.com/board/index.php?

**fergyflyer** · 05-08-2009, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by willys srt8

i was on that site last night looking for that article and could only find modded Camaros. however, calling a F-body a 12 sec car because Evan Smith was able to get to 12.89 in a factory freak is like me saying all SRT-8s run 12.759 @ 105.61 using only the fastest time i can find. for example this article found:

http://www.allpar.com/racing/roadrun...300C-srt8.html

" One car that was drawing lots of attention was a brand spanking new, 425 HP, Chrysler 300C SRT-8. The black 300C SRT-8 had been blistering the track with solid high twelves all afternoon."

fact is a stock Camaro may have hit the 12s but one article vs all the articles and test doesn't mean that Camaros are 12 sec cars. it means he got lucky and has anyone been able to reproduce it. even the article you posted stated “Although the trap speed dropped steadily from his first to third runs, Jordon's quickest pass was his last, with a 13.579 ET lighting up the board.” about the 02 SS. all that being said, I believe that the SRT-8 vs a LS1 F-body = two low 13sec car drivers race. both cars have dipped into the 12 stock but it certainly isn’t the norm.

as for the challenge, you should post it over on some Challenger, Charger, or 300C fourms. it's pretty easy to call out SRT-8 on a camaro forum not too many/ too far away. but i'm sure you'll find some local takers there. here are some links but i don't know if this site will allow them or not so you may not be able to see them. i wish i could get down there to run.

http://www.300cforums.com/forums/

http://www.chargerforumz.com/index.php

http://www.lxforums.com/board/index.php?

Look, it's pretty simple.

You're the guy with a problem when I post that the SRT8 cars I see around here run about a half second slower than F-bodies with similar mods. Stock for stock they are closer and it's a high 13's number around here. That around here is key.

So what I suggested is that since you are all over the forums trolling, why don't you find a SRT8 car or two around here and I'll run them.

I have already run a bunch and watched a bunch. They are impressive till you realize that they get beat by a 7 year old plus Camaro with equal mods as the SRT8's I'm watching.

I've been told it's driver error. That's fine. Find me a driver that isn't going to make a mistake with an A5 car, not an M6 car, and we'll run. It just seems that of the 20 plus SRT 8 cars that I've seen 100% of the drivers weren't very good. I've even seen some 14 second passes so I know those drivers weren't good.

I can say that out of 20 F-bodies you'd find a few that weren't good and a few that were exceptional.

Again the challenge is to you since you're disputing what I'm saying. I've found a bunch of SRT8 cars, just go to the track and they are there. I run them and beat them.

willys srt8 · 05-08-2009, 07:26 PM

dude calm down. i don't have a problem. if i were to spout off from my personal experience i'm 4-0 against f-bodies, 1-0 against LS2 GTO, three of which should have crushed me but they didn't. does that prove that the SRT-8 is a faster/quicker car? no. It just proved those knuckleheads couldn’t drive. i'm at only 413whp w/I/E without the tune at 19ft elev. and the shops here say mine is a freak. although, it is the second engine that has been In the car and the 6.1l crate eng , the exact eng as stock, is rated at 450bhp. i could be running around saying how f-bodies suck and all that crap but i don't. nor do I come in Camaro fourms to talk trash about Camaros. I like all cars and respect them for what they are. i have had F-bodies too and would still have one if it didn't have serious electrical issues. you can argue and get mad all you want but in the end facts are facts. a stock f-body is a low 13 sec. car. nobody in this fourm, but you, is going to argue the point that stock F-bodies are low 13 sec. cars. are you in the twelves? slips? dyno sheets? car weight? mods? to put things in perspective, the 03/04 Mustang Mach 1 is a mid 13 sec car and the 03/04 Termi Cobra is a high 12 sec car and the GT500 is also a high 12 sec car.once you start modding, all bets are off. as you know some cars respond better to some mods than others. for you to get a race with any car with comparable mods you can’t get an accurate account of what the car was capable of when stock. as far as me looking for you a race in your local area for you, you must be kidding... are you afraid of going to another forum and make a challenge... or are you afraid someone might take you up on it?

**Deuuuce** · 05-09-2009, 12:28 AM

Originally Posted by fergyflyer

Now here's the kicker for you. I've gone to other tracks. I prefer to use the more realistic numbers from Orlando. The SRT8's with catback, intake and tune run mid 13's. My car with the same runs 13.0's. I beat them by a half second. I beat them by a half second in Bradenton, Gainesville, West Palm and even in Cecil County Georgia.

Your data seems to be changing. I/E/T cars are running mid 13s? Then stock Fbodys and SRT-8s should be 14.0s at Orlando, stock. I/E/ and a canned tune on an SRT-8 nets 3mph and .5sec typically

If that is the case then you should see low, low 13sec stock SRT-8s beating stock LS1s. But I can't comment on any SRT-8 run you've seen unless they are cutting 2.0x 60fts or better.

Any trap speeds above 105mph?

The guy that owns the service company that takes care of my trailers has a nice SRT8 Charger. We went at it on the street and he lost every time by a large margin. His car is stock, but when you beat a guy by 6-7 cars in a 0 to 80 race, it's not very close.

Come on now, even if you didn't have DRs, that is hardly representative when the guy can't launch or doesn't know the autostick from the ESP, it would be closer. 6-7 cars before the 1/8th is a lifetime.

**fergyflyer** · 05-09-2009, 08:50 AM

Originally Posted by willys srt8

dude calm down. i don't have a problem. if i were to spout off from my personal experience i'm 4-0 against f-bodies, 1-0 against LS2 GTO, three of which should have crushed me but they didn't. does that prove that the SRT-8 is a faster/quicker car? no. It just proved those knuckleheads couldn’t drive. i'm at only 413whp w/I/E without the tune at 19ft elev. and the shops here say mine is a freak. although, it is the second engine that has been In the car and the 6.1l crate eng , the exact eng as stock, is rated at 450bhp. i could be running around saying how f-bodies suck and all that crap but i don't. nor do I come in Camaro fourms to talk trash about Camaros. I like all cars and respect them for what they are. i have had F-bodies too and would still have one if it didn't have serious electrical issues. you can argue and get mad all you want but in the end facts are facts. a stock f-body is a low 13 sec. car. nobody in this fourm, but you, is going to argue the point that stock F-bodies are low 13 sec. cars. are you in the twelves? slips? dyno sheets? car weight? mods? to put things in perspective, the 03/04 Mustang Mach 1 is a mid 13 sec car and the 03/04 Termi Cobra is a high 12 sec car and the GT500 is also a high 12 sec car.once you start modding, all bets are off. as you know some cars respond better to some mods than others. for you to get a race with any car with comparable mods you can’t get an accurate account of what the car was capable of when stock. as far as me looking for you a race in your local area for you, you must be kidding... are you afraid of going to another forum and make a challenge... or are you afraid someone might take you up on it?

Look you're the one doubting me. You want to disprove what I'm saying find a good driver. I can't seem to find a good driver in an SRT car around here.

I'm not going to go trolling on other forums. You have no problem trolling around, but I'm not like that.

**fergyflyer** · 05-09-2009, 08:57 AM

Originally Posted by Deuuuce

Your data seems to be changing. I/E/T cars are running mid 13s? Then stock Fbodys and SRT-8s should be 14.0s at Orlando, stock. I/E/ and a canned tune on an SRT-8 nets 3mph and .5sec typically

If that is the case then you should see low, low 13sec stock SRT-8s beating stock LS1s. But I can't comment on any SRT-8 run you've seen unless they are cutting 2.0x 60fts or better.

Any trap speeds above 105mph?

Come on now, even if you didn't have DRs, that is hardly representative when the guy can't launch or doesn't know the autostick from the ESP, it would be closer. 6-7 cars before the 1/8th is a lifetime.

Look at some of my posts. I say the stock F-bodies around here run 13.7-13.8. That's pretty close to what the stock SRT8's I've seen run. I then said that the LS1 responds to mods better. The LS1 picks up 7-8 tenths with a lid, catback and canned tune like a Diablosport. The SRT8 cars seem to gain 3-4 tenths.

Right now, here in Orlando with 80 degree race temps and humidity at 70-90 percent no one runs anything close to a decent time. Last night the DA was 2187'. Add in poor track prep and guys with M/T ET's getting 1.9 60's and my Nitto's scatching a lousy 2.05 and I'm happy I ran a 13.2. I was still faster than a Magnum SRT8 that had headers and exhaust, DR's, an intake, throttle body and a tune. He was running 13.4-13.5.

willys srt8 · 05-09-2009, 10:54 AM

i don't doubt that you are running 13s. have i ever questioned that you were running 13s? no. because it's a 13 sec car. i'm not a troll. i like camaros and came over here to learn more about them and see how the compare to others. a troll is one who comes to talk bad about whatever fourm he is in. i have never said one bad thing about Camaros and don't know why your panties are in a bunch but look left and right and tell me where you support is against my statements of the f-body being a low 13 sec. car and ask yourself why. yes it has hit high twelves and yes the SRT-8 has hit the high twelves but that's not the norm. so what's the problem. you're not running twevles so my statement stands true. maybe you need to re-read this thread.