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Thread: ws.666 vs s2000
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09-24-2006, 05:58 AM #61
The beautiful thing about the S (IMO) is there isn't one in every garage. They are built by hand, not on an assembly line. Engine tolerances are to the thousandth, and internals are forged from the factory.
There are numerous S2000s in the 11s. Slapping on a Novi 1000 and a 50 shot accomplishes that on stock drivetrain and internals. The clutch isn't going to last long like that...but it will do it.
There are many that are in the 10s, and even a few I've seen information on that are breaking into the 9s in street trim.
It was never intended to be a drag machine, but the powerplant is capable of producing results at the strip.
It's a platform that hasn't had 40 years of aftermarket parts and shadetree mechanics developing powermakers for it - and there's only a handful about.
For a 2.0L 4 banger, it's impressive.
As far as being slow stock, sure it's slow stock, it's not a Z06 With that in mind though it's numbers aren't off much, if at all, from a stock 00 Camaro, which GM would tell you IS built for the dragstrip.
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09-24-2006, 06:03 AM #62
I only paid 17 for mine. Granted - it's an 00 - and on that note...I recall the SS convertible camaros back in 00/01 being around $30,000 or so. You can get one of those now for what...10, 11 ?
Now take that foot out of your mouth, and do a little reading next time before speaking.
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09-24-2006, 06:50 AM #63
yes my man
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09-24-2006, 07:19 AM #64
Wow, I dunno what is, but I even wanna race this kid now...
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09-24-2006, 07:33 AM #65
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Let them all have it honda boy. I respect you for coming on this board and not talking alot of shit like alot of guys here.
If your happy with your car great. You know what your car can do that's all that matters. Go have the race and then go out with them for a beer. Racing is all about fun and making friends not puting everyone down that don't have the same car as you.
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09-24-2006, 07:38 AM #66
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09-24-2006, 07:59 AM #67
Stock S is easily 13.9 with a perfect launch - consistently.
IRS isn't a bad thing. It's not the most desireable setup for the strip, granted.
GM apparently agrees, might look under the back of a Z06 sometime.
Ford caught onto that too. Ever look under an 03/04 Cobra ?
A properly designed IRS isn't going to hinder your 1/4 mile performance enough when countered with the substantial improvement in handling.
As far as most drivers having trouble getting it to nail those times - you are correct there. It's an art form massaging the car down the track. It's far from the "stab it and steer" mentality.
Pathetic lack of power? Well, from an N/A 2 liter, it makes enough power to get down the track as fast as a stock 00 LS1 'Maro. Add the weight of a convertible to that LS1 - and it's probably faster. You don't miss low end torque when the engines kicking your adrenaline in with 9k shifts.
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09-24-2006, 10:05 AM #68
IRS is known for wheel hop...which is a bad thing.
Yes vettes have IRS and that's also why stock for stock they usually dyno less then a f-bod.
A popular mod for the 03/04 cobras is a solid rear swap...believe it or not
I've never seen a stock s2000 trap 100+...which even a poorly driven stock ls1 can do. I'm sure with a great driver the sk is capable of 100+ traps but put that same driver behind a ls1 and again they're not comparable in a straight line. I really don't like to bench race so i'm going to end it there.
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09-24-2006, 10:08 AM #69
http://www.sportcompactcarweb.com/fe...0_honda_s2000/
Probably a crap tune but this sk has the novi blower you're talking about and is only running a 13.9...but it's also pink so who knows what else is wrong with the car
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09-24-2006, 11:09 AM #70
Yeah, I'm running better than that N/A. Anyone can stick a blower on a motor. It's all about the fuel and ignition tuning.
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09-24-2006, 11:11 AM #71
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09-24-2006, 11:11 AM #72
Yea, too bad you admitted yourself that the car is next to impossible to launch well. Therefore running a 13.9 is highly unlikely for anyone but mag testers.
IRS isn't a bad thing. It's not the most desireable setup for the strip, granted.
GM apparently agrees, might look under the back of a Z06 sometime.
Ford caught onto that too. Ever look under an 03/04 Cobra ?
Pathetic lack of power? Well, from an N/A 2 liter, it makes enough power to get down the track as fast as a stock 00 LS1 'Maro. Add the weight of a convertible to that LS1 - and it's probably faster. You don't miss low end torque when the engines kicking your adrenaline in with 9k shifts.
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09-24-2006, 11:14 AM #73
update TSS...?
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09-24-2006, 11:21 AM #74
External Modifications : Comptech supercharger
system with Paxton Novi
1000, Ractive chrome tip
exhaust (non functional)
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09-24-2006, 12:28 PM #75
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Sunset Orange Metallic- 2002 Camaro SS
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09-24-2006, 12:40 PM #76
why dont you just shut the fuck up, what have i started with you?
you are the ass hole here, because you just started shit in a well established thread, its alright tho because you are a fuckin noob anyways
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09-24-2006, 01:14 PM #77
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HAHA...Alright dude comments like honduh power and the 3 other pointless post you made didn't shit on the thread??? I'm done, but seriously I know people agree with me... and the noob comment cuts deep...LOL Get a life.
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09-24-2006, 04:08 PM #78
Stock camaro LS1s run low 13s stock? I see an awful lot of them just barely cutting under 14. Given - driver experience is alot of it, but I've been around the strip for 10 years now. I'd give them 13.7s consistently at best - in stock trim.
Exclusively in the category of strength for dragstrip type launches, a solid rear axle would be beneficial on high torque motors. It's also an achilles heel if you ever want to actually take the car out and drive it. My little 220whp "honduh" had no trouble today leaving a following pair of 350+ whp Mustangs through a fine array of twisties. I didn't even have to downshift to pull out of visibility.
I don't think the C1 vettes had IRS - but otherwise you're correct there. I hadn't realized that they'd been employing that technology so long. The few C3's I've been under have some crazy flipped rear leaf spring. Kinda looked like a cheap way out of doing a real coil setup.
Living in Kentucky, the Vette museum is only a couple hours a way. It's an impressive display if you're ever in that neck of the woods.
Enough of the riceboy comments also. My car sees the track and the dyno, not the sticker shop and the pep boys parking lot.
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09-24-2006, 04:17 PM #79
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blacker than wesleysnipes- 98' trans am
wesman take a chill pill damn..he's no rice boy..and for a 2 litter they put up good numbers plain and simple..civics are rice..s2000 aren't
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09-24-2006, 07:32 PM #80
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