C7 Vette update

**justinmc978** · 11-11-2009, 10:14 AM

mid engine would be strange, yesterday i was closed minded on it completly, but after thinking it over it could be cool as a uppermodel, the only thing is that being mid engine would give the vette a completly different shape (no more long hood short cabin design) and make it an entirely different car,

**Y2KPewterSS** · 11-11-2009, 05:38 PM

Originally Posted by SiggyZ

Exactly my point. Corvette is and to me, should always stand for front engine, rear wheel drive.

Front engine, RWD, and V8 powered

**SiggyZ** · 11-11-2009, 06:23 PM

Exactly

Originally Posted by Y2KPewterSS

Front engine, RWD, and V8 powered

**fxgs** · 11-12-2009, 02:08 AM

Originally Posted by Ramairgod84

yea but that most likely wont happen because that would move away from the iconic image that the vette is...the front engine v8 gas supercar. just like how they wouldnt go mid engine either.

or get rid of pop up headlights......................

**5abivt** · 11-13-2009, 11:32 PM

Originally Posted by Mr. Hyde

The C5 and C6 Vettes have a better weight distribution than any mid engined car I've ever seen the specs on. Including this months Road and Track's test of 4 Lambos.
Why change it? That's why GM placed the tranny in the rear of the car.

The design is flawed in itself. Even Ron Fellows himself said the c4 had better weight 'Balance'. Sounds wierd right? the c5/6 has all its weight in the front, and the rear and nothing in the middle. it was very hard for gm to overcome the initial handling testing where they spun out constantly. Mid engine cars generally have their engine and trans over the rear wheels making it so most of the weight is in one general area. Extending the wheelbase helped overcome the 'spinning out' problem.

In my opinion GM needs to ditch the pushrod engine. In the mid-late 80s when Lotus first built LT5s for Gm they were pushing 450-500 hp. Comon think about that. TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO. The LT5 made 375/405. Just imagine a higher compression, direct injected dohc v-8 designed with todays techonolgy. I bet Gm could make a <5L Dohc DI v-8 to push over 550 hp and over 600 if they choose to rev it past 8000 rpm.

**Mr. Hyde** · 11-14-2009, 12:35 AM

GM did "blind" driving tests before they decided which type of engine would power the then new C6.
Without fail, the drivers all choose the old pushrod engine over the Overhead Cam one for it's overall driving "personaity".
Think about this, we American's, although the Corvette is a global car, prefer a lazy V8. Other high spun Overhead Cam V8's made by other manufacters that will spin to 8500RPM and above, seldom have that low end "grunt" that we Americans prefer.
Even though my LS7 will spin to 7 grand, not too shabby, it'll lope along at 1200RPM on the freeway.
If you doubt me, read up on the new Lexus with it's 550Hp double everything super this and that and you'll see that most of the Writers felt it had to be wrung up pretty high to make serious power/torque
I love the fact that I can goose my car at 1400RPM and kick the rear end out with no prob.
I do agree though that the Corvette has a serious problem with the rear end coming around VERY easily.

**shady milkman** · 11-16-2009, 06:24 AM

Originally Posted by 5abivt

The design is flawed in itself. Even Ron Fellows himself said the c4 had better weight 'Balance'. Sounds wierd right? the c5/6 has all its weight in the front, and the rear and nothing in the middle. it was very hard for gm to overcome the initial handling testing where they spun out constantly. Mid engine cars generally have their engine and trans over the rear wheels making it so most of the weight is in one general area. Extending the wheelbase helped overcome the 'spinning out' problem.

In my opinion GM needs to ditch the pushrod engine. In the mid-late 80s when Lotus first built LT5s for Gm they were pushing 450-500 hp. Comon think about that. TWENTY FIVE YEARS AGO. The LT5 made 375/405. Just imagine a higher compression, direct injected dohc v-8 designed with todays techonolgy. I bet Gm could make a <5L Dohc DI v-8 to push over 550 hp and over 600 if they choose to rev it past 8000 rpm.

as said before this was planned and didn't go through...the fact that DOHC's are expensive ..heavy and big doesn't help the corvette....yes the LT5 was nice..and yes those are great numbers..but the complexity and cost of those engines is pretty damn high as shown by the price of the zr1 back 25 years ago. The pushrod really is a timeless engine..its ability to be cheap, easy to work on and simplistic in design makes it perfect for the vette...is there really any competitor around that can make a N/A motor with as broad of a powerband, as simple and push out those good of numbers at the displacement gm uses ?

i cant think of one

**Mr. Hyde** · 11-16-2009, 12:32 PM

Originally Posted by shady milkman

as said before this was planned and didn't go through...the fact that DOHC's are expensive ..heavy and big doesn't help the corvette....yes the LT5 was nice..and yes those are great numbers..but the complexity and cost of those engines is pretty damn high as shown by the price of the zr1 back 25 years ago. The pushrod really is a timeless engine..its ability to be cheap, easy to work on and simplistic in design makes it perfect for the vette...is there really any competitor around that can make a N/A motor with as broad of a powerband, as simple and push out those good of numbers at the displacement gm uses ?

i cant think of one

Well said Sir!

**SiggyZ** · 11-16-2009, 12:44 PM

Long live the V8 pushrod!

Originally Posted by shady milkman

as said before this was planned and didn't go through...the fact that DOHC's are expensive ..heavy and big doesn't help the corvette....yes the LT5 was nice..and yes those are great numbers..but the complexity and cost of those engines is pretty damn high as shown by the price of the zr1 back 25 years ago. The pushrod really is a timeless engine..its ability to be cheap, easy to work on and simplistic in design makes it perfect for the vette...is there really any competitor around that can make a N/A motor with as broad of a powerband, as simple and push out those good of numbers at the displacement gm uses ?

i cant think of one

**granddad** · 11-24-2009, 01:06 PM

Last word I saw was no c7 till probably 2013 - after all, look at the C4 timeline. Mainly to give NewGM time to regroup.
As far as LS series engines go - they are the very best of the best of breed. I can cruise at 650 rpm in 6th, quick drop back to 3 when a quick spurt is needed. Long live the LS1 with man tran!

**shady milkman** · 11-24-2009, 03:55 PM

Originally Posted by granddad

Last word I saw was no c7 till probably 2013 - after all, look at the C4 timeline. Mainly to give NewGM time to regroup.
As far as LS series engines go - they are the very best of the best of breed. I can cruise at 650 rpm in 6th, quick drop back to 3 when a quick spurt is needed. Long live the LS1 with man tran!

the ls1 is no longer produced in a production car...

**SiggyZ** · 11-24-2009, 04:31 PM

I think he meant to say the LSx series of engines.

Originally Posted by shady milkman

the ls1 is no longer produced in a production car...

**SAGGIN** · 11-27-2009, 09:37 AM

I like the new Camaro look, but don't do that to the Vette as well. I've noticed that a lot of modern day society is going retro, from fashion to cars. I do not like this trend at all...I want modern day sh*t, and after builing the ZR1 which is as modern as you can get, throwing old school details on the Vette just doesn't feel right.

**raynor139** · 11-28-2009, 02:19 PM

http://www.corvettenewsblog.com/2009...-split-window/

Article from another website talking about the splitwindow. This pic was also in Motortrend.

"In an interview with Inside Line, Ed Welburn, General Motors' head of global design, father of the re-born Camaro, told us the next Vette will follow the 2010 Camaro down the road of retro-inflected styling."

**SHines-IT** · 11-28-2009, 05:13 PM

IDK if anyone seen them, but there our videos of the "stingray" concept on youtube. Was going to post them, but they been up there for months...

**gnomee** · 12-08-2009, 07:03 PM

I really enjoy the Pushrod V8. I am wondering what you guys are talking about with the rear end spinning out so "easy". My 02 Z06 with Factory Supercar tires will not even spin the tires unless I dump the clutch (Only tried that once, does not feel like its ANY good on the car

). I've pushed it on clover ramps until the tires screech with no problems at all 70mph + accelerating.

**Mr. Hyde** · 12-09-2009, 03:35 AM

Originally Posted by gnomee

I really enjoy the Pushrod V8. I am wondering what you guys are talking about with the rear end spinning out so "easy". My 02 Z06 with Factory Supercar tires will not even spin the tires unless I dump the clutch (Only tried that once, does not feel like its ANY good on the car

). I've pushed it on clover ramps until the tires screech with no problems at all 70mph + accelerating.

Add another 100hp and see what happens.

**shady milkman** · 12-09-2009, 05:07 AM

Originally Posted by Mr. Hyde

Add another 100hp and see what happens.

true ..but also for the c6 z06s..you also add almost 2" of width on the rear tires too ...even tho that is offset by those shitty run flats that come OEM.